OdinMS = Gone !! :O

Pitbull · #1 06-18-2008, 06:53 AM

Yeah thats true, i was trying to get on OdinMS This morning, but i couldnt get on it so i started to look what was happening.
But when i was at the website i saw some strange things :O

This is what i saw standing on the odinms site :

Apparently Nexon is sueing us. Currently we don't even know what claims they have against us - so far we have received a bill from a court with the information that it's about €350,000 matter in controversy. And it's sent from the Landgericht Hamburg.
Neither of this makes sense to us (we are not in Hamburg, neither is Nexon). Without any claims we don't even know why they are trying to sue us.
We don't know if or how much we'll actually have to pay at this point.
We don't know what will happen now. We won't be trying to risk our financial futures for keeping this project alive (sorry). We will keep you updated with this blog.

Since some of you wanted proof of the mentioned letter here it is:

As already stated it doesn't contain much information. After having received that letter I made a telephone call to the LG Hamburg verifying that this is indeed real. Although it was actually a mistake that I got this bill and at the moment we don't have to pay anything. We shouldn't have known about this at all yet and will now have to wait for what happens next.
Please note that this is a civil action and not a criminal proceeding, no jail is involved but a lot of money.
And also don't forget that German laws apply here which are quite different from the American ones. We don't ask you for legal advice, we just want to keep you informed about what is happening. In the very unlikely case that a German lawyer is reading this and willing to support us we wouldn't turn him down of course. You may contact us at matze@odinms.de.

Please don't take any childish actions against or towards Nexon, we do not wish for that.

Probably for some of u this is bad new, for some of u good news.

And the Back :

cosmeo3000 · #2 06-18-2008, 12:12 PM

This will be an easy case for Odin to win. All they need to prove is that they did not make money, they did not force people to pay money for any products, and any other private servers they created aren't their authority; they just supplied the source code. The only thing they did that MIGHT be illegal is packet sniffing but take a look at this.

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When is packet sniffing legal and illegal?It is illegal when it is performed on your network without written or verbal authorization from your company, and especially when the intent is to obtain confidential information through a passive attack. Hope this provided the information you needed. Take care, Luis

In their way, they didn't get authorization from NEXON, but they didn't try to obtain confidential information through a passive attack. They just wanted to know the packets a file sent to create a similar program as the NEXON servers.

I personally think NEXON just wants people to go back to MapleStory. I would urge people to get a copy of the OdinMS source and the TitanMS source just to keep the projects alive. (And distribute it freely, don't go making people pay for it unless you want Matze to sue you

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The3rdNipple · #3 06-18-2008, 05:12 PM

I don't think its real. I think there using the excuse to close down the server. (cause they don't wanna play anymore). Watch, then hella ppl gonna take the name OdinMS.

LilCrazed · #4 06-19-2008, 10:22 AM

i think its real cuz yeah its just real they takeing down servers 1 by 1 they already took down ninjams -_-

The3rdNipple · #5 06-20-2008, 01:51 AM

Aite, lets say it is real. Luckly I don't server any more

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Pitbull · #6 06-20-2008, 06:26 AM

But it wont come back anyways -

Quote:

We won't be trying to risk our financial futures for keeping this project alive (sorry).

No good sources, except if some pro's make them.

quiggle · #7 06-20-2008, 07:29 AM

Vana is a good sources..

Pitbull · #8 06-20-2008, 09:19 AM

And a guy told me about this what Nexon is gonna do about other pservers:

-First all 24/7 servers will be called by Nexon. They will have 24 hours to shut down their server before you get fined for 25,000 dollars.
-Next up is servers that take donations. They will have to shut their servers down IMMEDIATELY. Failure to comply will result in an Odin-like trial.
-Next up are the servers that are not 24/7 or take donations. They have 24 hours before they get fined for 25,000.
-Then hamachi crap servers. They have 24 hour to shut down their server or they will be fined for 20,000.

cosmeo3000 · #9 06-20-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitbull

And a guy told me about this what Nexon is gonna do about other pservers:

-First all 24/7 servers will be called by Nexon. They will have 24 hours to shut down their server before you get fined for 25,000 dollars.
-Next up is servers that take donations. They will have to shut their servers down IMMEDIATELY. Failure to comply will result in an Odin-like trial.
-Next up are the servers that are not 24/7 or take donations. They have 24 hours before they get fined for 25,000.
-Then hamachi crap servers. They have 24 hour to shut down their server or they will be fined for 20,000.

So this means we should be downloading all the sources we can just to keep them alive (At least with playing them privately with friends). We should make a private GzN server with no advertising it at all =P.

Weird though because I remember reading that an Admin of NEXON.Inc said they did not care at all about the servers as long as they didn't try to make money...

But NEXON is losing on my estimate a pretty decent number of people who do buy nexon cash, but most people that play private servers are people who DON'T buy nexon cash xD

Also, Odin should sue Local to get its funds to pay off the other lawsuit =P (Local stole Odin's original source)

But in the end, as long as Odin can convince the jury that they have not done anything wrong, they have coded a server from scratch that uses the game MapleStory, all other servers are safe. (It shouldn't be that hard... they used Java while Maple uses C++)

LegendaryHacker · #10 06-20-2008, 08:26 PM

Completely fake. First off, they would have complained to the host. Now the host obviously didn't bother because they knew it was fake. In addition, they did not receive a formal complaint as to why they are getting sued. The case has not started and they have no reason to shut down yet. The letter they received looks suspicious as big gaming companies such as Nexon would write a complaint with information such as the following. A reason as to why they are getting sued, a formal letter that is professionally written with a watermarked logo (or something of that sort), and much more.

Fourthly, they know damn well their source is securely locked up in isolated network machines and only moved to normal game servers after compilation. As a bunch of German citizens, there's no way you ever broke into Nexon Headquarters here in California and stole it. They wouldn't claim the code is stolen, because they know better. Emulation isn't exactly the cutting edge.

Fifthly, the host isn't responsible for the actions of their customers unless they are somehow directly helping them in their activities. They cannot try to claim that the host will be charged as well, and they would know that, if it was really Nexon. That's the same reason why the host didn't bother to follow their demands.

Sixthly, they offered no credentials, no information, no identification, nothing, to prove they are who they say they are. Even if it came from a nexon e-mail address, I imagine even the normal low level tech guys have company e-mail accounts. There's no proof that they have any right to the claims they're making or actions they're taking.

Seventhly,
Nexon USA's headquarters is in California. If they were behind the suit, they'd be asking for payment in US dollars. The European branch, running EMS, is located in London. If they were behind it, then they'd be dealing in Pounds. There's no Nexon organization that ought to be dealing with Euros at all.